Beiträge von morphogenetic

    Coz, the only thing i am saying is that there are many different stories here, all essentially talking about wrong doing on Morgan's behalf....whether its chart manipulation, not receiving samples, not getting paid, etc...i personally have not had a truly bad experience with him. The only annoying thing was getting paid only 24 euros for the remix, and having so many deductions, which as a label owner, i found ridiculous...call me a 21st century label owner or even naive, but costs for manufacturing come out of the cut the label gets, not the artist....i would never charge an artist for anything related to the pressing, we work out a cut deal on the profit, period.

    The other issue was the angry email when i said i could not go ahead with the AR deal we talked about, and he wrote about how unprofessional that was, and how much time he wasted talking about FBI to others in lieu of this said deal...i went through some very rough times financially this past year, and didnt need anyone hassling me because i couldnt follow up with something i had not given the go ahead on.

    I felt at the time he was being very money-centric, and that rubbed me the wrong way. Since then, i couldnt help but feel that our various times that we charted #2, that somehow we never went up further, unlike most others, because of him playing politics. He has reassured me that was not true, and perhaps it is not; i have no way of knowing. It doesnt even have anything to do with being "number one", its just the idea that if he truly was manipulating the chart in general, then he might have done it to get back at me as well. It wasnt hard to think he was mad at me since he stopped calling completely, when he used to call me at least once a month, or write an email....communication went dead.

    There were some issues when i was asked to mix Vol. 2, and i am not gonna go into that because it is a long story; needless to say, that wasnt an enjoyable experience, and i wound up declining the offer because he gave me a week to do the whole thing ( ridiculous ), and then said it would be compared with another entry, then decided on ( rude and disrespectful - did any other dj have his work competing with another entry? no! )...

    My stories are honestly petty compared to a lot of what is heard here, and that is perhaps because overall i have had what i thought was a good relationship with Morgan. It just has been difficult hearing so many people i trust calling him a crook, and claiming things going on and what have you since i have known him. It has made me weary of him to some degree and the couple little things that went on between us sorta reinforced the idea that perhaps Morgan was just looking out for himself.

    Coz if you read my last post as well as any other, you can see i am trying to be as fair as possible to Morgan; even expressing my concerns and suspicions, i have been the most fair not simply saying he is a screwed up person and destroying his character.

    My only point is that stories have been told far and wide, and are all being expressed here in this thread...some could simply be jealousy, some could be legitimate. Seems you are very suspicious of every single person here claiming wrong doing, and that is not fair also.

    Believe when i say i want to see this all in the end be a giant misunderstanding, and for the record to be set straight that Morgan is a good fellow. I have put a lot of confidence in him, and i would rather not feel like i believed in a crook...something that no one is able to prove he is, or that he isn't. :-/

    This is a sad moment, and it really could go either way, we got duped, or through a giant misconception we have allowed a man's credibility to be dragged through the mud by ill conceived ideas.

    I am just as confused as anyone else, but again...let's not simply assume everyone is lying here, why so many, why so consistent with the same issues of not being paid, had copies sent, etc.?

    I stated my personal experience a few pages ago and do not care to write it out again. As far as what you and i talked about before...yes, i got paid...25 euros, which included a percentage taken out for manufacturing costs, which personally, was a bit weird since i have always understood that manufacturing costs come out of the sale price, not the artist's cut. I have yet to see another quarterly report, and hope i will...besides that, i have thought very highly of Morgan. Something that was always a conflict with many of my colleagues, as they continuously told me the stories that are now being aired live for you to read.

    I wasn't attacking you or even singling you out in any way Adam. I just have read many comments this morning from many people who just accuse everything here as over inflated egos and this and that. Yes, in some ways there has been a bit of negativity, but obviously a lot has come out in the open that needed to be known. Like i said before, its inconvenient, but it is truth and needs to be told.

    I am honestly shocked at how many people are complaining of wrong doing by SS, and i don't think it should be kept quiet. For far too long i have had many people secretly telling me things and asking how it is for me or if i feel Morgan is a bad guy or not. I personally feel from speaking to him that he is not a bad person, maybe old school minded in terms of music business, but that is not necessarily bad in every way. The point is that many have had issues with him and finally getting it out in the open is best to find out, hopefully from Morgan, why so many people feel done wrong in terms of payment, receiving samples, or doing anything that was promised as part of an agreement in the beginning.

    Are you gonna say everyone's story here from me, to Matthias, Debonaire, etc are all lies or just over-inflated egos flaring up for no reason? I don't think this thread should have gone as negative as it has, but i am thankful that everyone is finally coming out and being honest. I don't think it is fair to assume people here are just mudslinging to make Morgan look bad.

    As i said before, perhaps to some, this is simple jealousy or hate for no legitimate reason, and if that is the case, it needs to be confronted as well. I don't think however, that it should be assumed that every single person is doing this out of hate or ill intent, if there are legitimate concerns, it should be addressed. :-/

    This to me is nothing but a microcosm of what is happening in our country politically, socially, and even spiritually. And as you know, i am very clear as to what i see happening all over the world, and i will do no differently here. This to me is the most beautiful community of passionately artistic people, and i am very honored to be a part of helping create it, but i will personally not stand back as people come out of the woodwork to destroy the scene with their ignorance. If others are gonna also come out and speak against something, and it is important, why not participate in the discussion? its the same thing as in our political system, everyone just wants to keep their head in the sand, and not confront the issues at hand...as soon as someone tries to, they are labeled a tea partier, right wingnut, etc, etc...

    I totally agree that the best approach is to all focus on our music and communicate that way, but that cannot be the only solution to the problem every time unfortunately. If i sat in my studio making music all day all night, and did not try and educate myself about what is happening in the world today, i'd wake up one day to find that everything is gone and there is no more reason for music, since there would be no reason to live essentially. I don't want to do that here, because like you, i want to see this grow... ;)

    I agree, but since this thread is about trying to figure out if Morgan was up to something, it seemed rather curious that so many are out on FB and other places now claiming how wrong this thread is for even being created...like i said, if issues arise, why should we not deal with them? it doesnt matter if its Morgan, Obama, whoever cheating somebody, the community ought to know... :-/

    It just seems that the majority of the people wanna keep their heads in the sand and not confront the truth when it is in need of confronting...like we should just hide behind our synths while chaos engulfs the scene for whatever reason.


    Zitat von Cozmo D;46029

    It matters to me to know if ANYBODY is robbing people in this business. Why just the Morgan Khan witch hunt?

    I love how some people think that because this is a small scene, that we should all just keep playing with our toys and not talk about issues...wtf? We are grown up adults who, as far as i am concerned, do this because we believe in it, not just for ourselves, but the greater community and what we can do with it.

    The truth is often inconvenient, but it is the truth...you can never hide from it, it will always let itself be known somehow, some way.

    I find myself feeling many times like i am the only that actually sees the bigger picture, what we can all accomplish. I am sorry, but i do not wanna hear that Dominance is selling 500 vinyls of some of the most amazing stuff ever heard, or pressing 300 FBI's that we pour our everything into...i want bigger and better things. Not saying i want fame, money and decadence to plague our scene...but surely, we can do a little more.

    Just like in our country's politics, you can sit back and watch the whole thing crumble, or you can speak up, be labeled arrogant or petty for doing so; but in the end...you are speaking the truth...

    Is anyone gonna seriously tell me that it didnt matter for us to know if Morgan Khan was robbing everyone, manipulating the charts, and god knows what else, while we all keep running around like little girls asking for email votes and being so excited about #1, or #2, supporting the label and just blindly allowing issues to continue brewing?

    This is immature imo, and it reflects a larger problem in people...complacency and an unwillingness to speak up....when the truth needs to come out: SPEAK UP!!!! 8)

    Thank you Coz, that was a kind comment, i am glad you notice it. I am very hard on myself about it, so i tend to think the worse of my work, although at the same time i like it. Its a weird love and hate kinda thing.

    I know what you mean though, songs ARE like children. I always say that making music must be somewhat like giving birth...just spending all that time seeing things grow, and then...off they go out into the world! I swear i feel like a parent sending their child off to college when i finish a track and send it off to a label or to master...i even get teary eyed! ;D

    Zitat von Cozmo D;45824

    My songs are like my children. Well, at least my pets. ;D

    Music is a very serious thing for me, and i treat it as if i was able to live off of it...but, i cant...so in some ways it is a hobby in the sense that its what i love doing on the side, yet if i ever get the chance, i will definately make my living this way.

    I think if someone approaches their music as a hobby, so they dont really seriously refine it or finish it how they should, its wrong...but if its wrong for someone to call it a hobby because they cant live off of it, then thats wrong too. Specially this day in age, no one can live off of music unless you are a popstar or tour a whole lot to make a good living...unfortunately, that is not the case for most.

    Honestly, whether it is a label or an individual entity, there are issues with the possibility of corruption and bias. I think that there should be charts on every website if they'd like, but i think it needs to be done 100% electronically by a polling system that is not entered by the individual running the site, but rather the general community.

    Has anyone looked into Survey Monkey? it is a software that you can embed on your site and allows for electronic polling and surveying... http://www.surveymonkey.com

    We are thinking of using it on our site, looks neat. :)

    No one is trying to deny what you have done, but i think it is prudent for all of us to accept our place and realize that some have done more than us. if you are not here to make this a pissing contest, then why did you piss you begin with?

    I am not always trying to discredit you personally, but honestly it irks the living crap out of me everytime you make comments where you try and place yourself at the top of Electro. You served your role back in the day when you first brought EA to the scene, and yes, your mission of re-uniting worked and you should be proud of yourself for that...BUT!!! As any human would do, your ego got in the way and it became all about YOU. You can try and be defensive all you want, but the more you reject it and try and deny it, the worse it makes you look.

    People have lost confidence in electro alliance because they go there and see nothing but promotions about you, interviews on you from years ago still on there as if they were recent...if you were trying to run a community, why dont you do it like EE or TB.net, where its hard to decipher who runs the site, because of the general support it provides to all labels and artists?

    And of course, and perhaps just a personal taste and what i feel is a wrong turn you took in your musical path, you got into this goth porn s+m bs that is simply cheesy, downgrading to women no matter how much you try and claim they feel empowered ( bullshit, no woman wants to be respected only for their looks ), and is influencing many youth and other artists down a bad and negative path...but yes, that is my opinion so you do what you do...i've learned that nothing will stop you from doing what you wanna do.

    Again, and i think Cozmo reinforces this with his thoughts, there are too many agendas here and not many people willing to step back and see what is best for the community because all they care about is what is best for them...that, my friends, will be the demise of our scene just like it has been for Hip Hop in general...E-G-O!


    Zitat von exzakt;45740

    Since you want to go there I would match my label and compilations against yours any day of the week!

    ;D Are you serious? So since this is about issues with SS claiming that what they release is the "Best of the best", are you incinuating that what you do is the best of the best? Look, i think the issues here are fairly clear cut, but i find it a little hilarious that you would give Morgan shit for being arrogant, yet you pull out a statement like this...do you really think what you have done is any match to the legacy Streetsounds has, not to mention the amazing roster of artists that have appeared on the label since its inception?

    Like i said before, and perhaps in a slightly different manner, is that the main issue that i think is plaguing our scene is EGO, and that is one of the main things i have seen since the return of SS...many people's inner fantasies of being a superstar getting flared up by the thought of being on such an infamous label, and the innerfighting that has broken out by people that would kill to be on the label, are bitter they are not, or are eager to see Streetsounds disappear so they can have their "Ruler Of Electro" name tag back. :-/

    I personally do not want to see Streetsounds go away, i just simply want it to become something that :

    A. Does not claim to be the best of the best.

    B. Because it is a compilation label, that it should become more transparent about the way it does its charts and compiles its releases - this way it is more of a community effort, rather than one man, or one group's opinion on what should be published and sold as a scene representing thing.

    C. By doing the above, truly becomes open to everything that makes up the greater community of artists , including Detroit artists who get no representation whatsoever.

    ...just my 2 rusty pesos. :)

    Electro is far from dead dave and you know that...instead of being bitter, why not start putting out your great material again? I feel that Electro went through a very scary time when the likes of volsoc and sibegg ruled the scene, but now it seems there is a lot of really soulful and complex material ( like blastromen ) that is really beginning to set things off in a good direction...

    We are just getting started here as far as i am concerned, and i dont really think it has anything to do with things having a flavor of R&B, Hip Hop, or anything like that because thats where it all started back in the day and is just as legitimate as Jazz or any other classic style. Even Techno came from Hip Hop and anyone in Detroit would tell you that, so... :-/

    My main concern is anyone trying to be an authority as to who is best and who is not...that is no one's place but the people's, and can only be accomplished by a transparent system that allows people to vote for who they like.

    Has anyone tried Survey Monkey? http://www.surveymonkey.com/

    This is one of the things that i think Morgan needs to understand...this idea that Streetsounds somehow represents the "Best" of Electro Funk and Electro/Techno Bass material being released. I will agree that SS releases very good tracks yes, and that they compile them from releases that are well accepted, or include collaborations that are a good match. However, only 20 tracks are picked BY MORGAN and the SS team, which means that the idea of who is "best", again, is only a matter of biased opinion.

    I think Streetsounds has a place in the scene, but i think it should stop trying to place itself at the top of things, trying to claim that it releases the best of, or that its charts represents the scene in a way that truly reflects what people are into...i just think its wrong that after years and years of not being around, and all of us putting our blood, sweat and tears into this to keep it alive, someone comes in and tries to pick up where they left off and claim that they represent the best of the best...who is the BEST? your best could be my worse...like Captain Rock, not a piece of garbage by any means, but definately not the #1 Electro track out right now...not by a long shot.

    I also do not like that Detroit is not represented very much on SS, and in the words of Morgan himself to a pioneer of Detroit Electro who is a friend near and dear to our hearts: "Detroit Electro just isnt that good!"

    It really surprises how hard it is to make people see that Detroit is the ONLY reason that Electro survived after dying off in the late 80s...the only other group was Dynamix II, and they technically had become very involved in the Miami Bass scene, and not necessarily trying to keep Electro going.

    The vision of Detroit artists to fuse Electro beats with what were becoming the more popular styles of Electronic music, like Techno and Trance, was brilliant, and allowed our sound to continue on to the 2000s where everyone could come back together and put their own vision into it. Could anyone disagree that Drexciya, Underground Resistance, Aux 88, and many others were responsible for saving Electro? for evolving past Electro Funk ( slower ), into a more appealing, modern, faster sound that could become more than just that 80s sound?

    As far as i am concerned, charts, awards, anything that is one entity acting as an authority of who is "best" is unnecessary and bound to be biased and at some point corrupt. The only thing that truly counts as to who is doing a good job in releasing music is the sales and the inevitable word of mouth success that propels an artist to a good place in the scene.

    The idea of someone being #1, or #2 is simply ridiculous! :-/ your number 1, could be someone else's number 11...i generally hate the idea of competition, which is why i hate sports. It is an ignorant side to humanity, and a reason why we have the issues that we have in the world...because someone is always trying to get ahead of the next man, and someone is always trying to place themselves at the top as ruler of something...cant we just all get along and be equal? we are all human, all are great at something, and all suck at many things.

    I am by far not the best producer, and would find it bothersome to ever be named #1...everyone to me that is talented is amazing in their own way, yet i can pick flaws in anyones work. That is because no one is perfect and no one ever will be...this i think, is where contentment lies, in knowing we are flawed yet great at something that makes us unique, and just simply letting it be as so.

    The only thing that would seem somewhat ok for me as far as a charting system goes, is a system like Matthias mentioned, that would be based on electronic polling, and completely free of opinion from any one specific source. This would at least reflect the complete general opinion of the scene and if done right, would show that whatever is reflected is only reflected by a percentage of the community... :)