Yes Or No - Street sounds Electro Chart

  • interesting thread!

    my perspective, wich i consider that comes from a electro-fan side:

    - SS is not representing the electro scene now, but I respect it as I respect other works.
    - Everyone could promote their work as they want. We are not stupid to choose what we like.
    - Every forum/label/chart is not NEUTRAL.
    - Detroit is Electro.
    - a CHART based in sales turns into a mainstream chart.
    - a 16 bar loop could be more INTERESTING than a whole album, if it is fresh to my ears.
    - Open the door to the newbies and listen what they bring. They are the future.

    just my view...

  • OK, so, Let's say that an unbiased chart is compiled and in that chart it features tracks from the latest SS release. Do we then say the chart is still bias or does SS take those tracks out and let the number 21 and 22 tracks make it into the Top 20? That is manipulation to please the masses!!! Ludicrous!!!

    Now let's say that Morgan gets miffed at the way this thread has turned and says screw the SS chart we won't do it anymore. Is that good or bad? I like the way the chart is displayed with Artist / Title / Label and Samples. This opens the uneducated fan to new labels and possibly more artists that didn't make it onto ANY compilation (not just SS).

    The argument about someone submitting a track that favoured their label is out of line. The chart is supposed to be your current favourite Top 20 tracks. If that person has half of them (or more) in their submission then that is what they are feeling that week. Looking at previous charts the entries fall in line with the current compilations released at that time. We have 4 months between SS releases and the charts don't feature tracks from Nu 1 or Nu 2 prior to Nu 3 dropping, and in a couple of weeks there won't be a Nu 3 track in the chart.

  • I went through this thread the whole weekend...WTF are you all doing ?

    I hate when somebody consider the people as idiots, from TV adverts to Electro adverts. i hate when you promote yourselves or your labels and generally your music as a fucking pop star.You spent long hours sitting in front of your computers promoting yourselves trying to find or to prove who is the best and you dont give a fuck about get your ass down with your equipment and drop into my face some real electro beats, drop me what you ve got into your brain & soul. You put out a track with demo sound, and all you want before you go to bed is to see your name into a fucking chart. I ve listen really childish tracks going into Morgans chart...and i really dont fucking believe that a 40 years old guy (SS loyal fan from the "legendary" past) is going to vote a childish tune... a) because he has better things to do than spending time to vote and b) because i dont really believe that he can consider that specific today childish electro track to any of the tracks that had been compiled on the early SS comp who he loved and spin his back or whatever (This about Loyal SS voters who some of you mentioned)!

    Its obvious and even a kid can understand that a chart wich is not official and not proffesionally organised with database and complicated systems based on at least sales cant be more than a small team's or a one man's subjective opinion or way of help his bussines grow. You never can be tottally transparent or objective! Who counted the sales of our 12'' wich we distribute by our own ass and we shipped more than 50 copies the first days that we recieved the release from the factory? do we have a place at this chart at least the 20th considering this number and the size of electro market? I think yes, but we never complained about not being there & never wanted to see our name there because simply we dont give a fuck and we dont need it....and of course noboby asked the number of our sales, wich is reasonable because its impossible for Morgan to ask any label what they sell..SO this chart cant be objective and transparent BUT havent all of you understand this from the very first moment?

    I dont know why suddenly all of you are against street sounds, you should have understand from the very first moment whats going on with Morgan Khan and i am not talking only about the 80s rumours wich i know a lot as it happens to have british 40 years old friends close to music industry.. i am also talking about the way he is doing his bussiness today. Its all about money into pocket and not about really move this sound ahead. The point is if you (the rest scene) like that, feel ok about that....because i ve seen many of you trying to earn for yourselves through the SS name and fame! And also i ve seen many of you licking each other to make pointless friendships in order to promote yourselves more into the scene. The return of SS was adapted by most of you as the return of Jesus who came to save us from the disaster, who came to save us from the dark and show us the light, the right wayty to do it!
    Electro was there before SS, Electro was there during 90s when morgan didnt care because of his own opinion - its not our bussiness - Electro is here today and believe me that electro is always gonna be there in the future.

    Something else, Cozmo i disagree with you apart the ss chart subject...with the opinion that you expressed about unproffesionalism in some artists and how they consider their music.You can be unproffesional (not live by electro) but the same time your sound can be much more proffesional than people who live by Electro. Some people might choose to do it underground because thats what they want, thats what they like. i respect that and you should respect it too...and you should dig to find those tunes if your soul is still seeking for groove, wich i know you do :)
    See Dark Vektor, he has a normal life, family, job, a baby and he produces fucking dope pro electro beats. Is he making money from Electro? NO!
    The same with Diplomat, Direct Control, Kalson and many more people...what i want to say is that these people for example are unproffesional (not live by electro) by they doing great music, do you want to say that they dont live by electro because they dont spent the whole day promoting theirselves?

    * Note that what we said about those artists its our view, THEY might disagree with that!


    I apologise do admin if i went out of topic at some points but i cant see people getting out of topic of what electro is about and i really cant stand all these bullshit..i said it before and i will send it again, guys & girls..get your ass down with your equipment and produce some quality and tough electro beats to move our ass with.

    :cylon:

  • No one is trying to deny what you have done, but i think it is prudent for all of us to accept our place and realize that some have done more than us. if you are not here to make this a pissing contest, then why did you piss you begin with?

    I am not always trying to discredit you personally, but honestly it irks the living crap out of me everytime you make comments where you try and place yourself at the top of Electro. You served your role back in the day when you first brought EA to the scene, and yes, your mission of re-uniting worked and you should be proud of yourself for that...BUT!!! As any human would do, your ego got in the way and it became all about YOU. You can try and be defensive all you want, but the more you reject it and try and deny it, the worse it makes you look.

    People have lost confidence in electro alliance because they go there and see nothing but promotions about you, interviews on you from years ago still on there as if they were recent...if you were trying to run a community, why dont you do it like EE or TB.net, where its hard to decipher who runs the site, because of the general support it provides to all labels and artists?

    And of course, and perhaps just a personal taste and what i feel is a wrong turn you took in your musical path, you got into this goth porn s+m bs that is simply cheesy, downgrading to women no matter how much you try and claim they feel empowered ( bullshit, no woman wants to be respected only for their looks ), and is influencing many youth and other artists down a bad and negative path...but yes, that is my opinion so you do what you do...i've learned that nothing will stop you from doing what you wanna do.

    Again, and i think Cozmo reinforces this with his thoughts, there are too many agendas here and not many people willing to step back and see what is best for the community because all they care about is what is best for them...that, my friends, will be the demise of our scene just like it has been for Hip Hop in general...E-G-O!


  • Heres my two cents, we all need to go back to basics and just enjoy the unique music we produce, play and love, imo the chart should be open to any artist as long as the music is electro, i wont talk about roses are red as that is opening another can of worms, i just dont get all the bickering, why ? , why ?, why ? :announce:


    Remember those famous words from back in the day, PEACE,UNITY,LOVE AND HAVING FUN, these days all i hear is blah,blah,blah ;D

  • Zitat von Invisible Rockers;45764

    Something else, Cozmo i disagree with you apart the ss chart subject...with the opinion that you expressed about unproffesionalism in some artists and how they consider their music.You can be unproffesional (not live by electro) but the same time your sound can be much more proffesional than people who live by Electro. Some people might choose to do it underground because thats what they want, thats what they like. i respect that and you should respect it too...and you should dig to find those tunes if your soul is still seeking for groove, wich i know you do :)
    See Dark Vektor, he has a normal life, family, job, a baby and he produces fucking dope pro electro beats. Is he making money from Electro? NO!
    The same with Diplomat, Direct Control, Kalson and many more people...what i want to say is that these people for example are unproffesional (not live by electro) by they doing great music, do you want to say that they dont live by electro because they dont spent the whole day promoting theirselves?

    * Note that what we said about those artists its our view, THEY might disagree with that!


    I never used the word professionalism or unprofessionalism. That was Morgan. What I complained about was people treating their music as a hobby. Maybe something is lost in the translation, but here in the US a hobby is something you do leisurely. You can work and treat your music seriously. Like I said, my music comes third behind God and family. I have not had a job in a long time, but Lady E has kept one since I don't make enough money on music alone for us to live. I put my all into my music, I would never call it or consider it a hobby. I have nothing but respect for you guys and the artists that you mentioned, and would be surprised if any of you considered your music a hobby.

  • Zitat von Cozmo D;45799

    Done! Morgan just called me and said that he's killed the chart. So much for that! ::)


    Well I think alot of these people have got what they wanted.


    Personally I think Morgan has done wrong to give in like that, I would have just carried on with it and gone with advice from others until it was working properly.

    Just removing it like that shows a sign of defeat in what he feels.

    End of the day I couldn't give a fuck myself I will just tune into Lee's show no matter if theres a chart or not. I tune in to listen to the music I don't tune in to wait to see whats number one all I want is to listen to some music, have fun in the chatroom and talk to some nice individuals.

  • Zitat von Jimmy Smithson;45804

    Well I think alot of these people have got what they wanted.


    Personally I think Morgan has done wrong to give in like that, I would have just carried on with it and gone with advice from others until it was working properly.

    Just removing it like that shows a sign of defeat in what he feels.

    End of the day I couldn't give a fuck myself I will just tune into Lee's show no matter if theres a chart or not. I tune in to listen to the music I don't tune in to wait to see whats number one all I want is to listen to some music, have fun in the chatroom and talk to some nice individuals.

    He said that somebody mentioned to him why is he promoting other labels by running the chart anyway, and it made sense to him. Compiling the chart was a lot of work for little gain, just to be attacked by rival labels and artists who are getting nothing but benefit from it. Frankly, i don't blame him. It's a thankless job that I sure wouldn't do.

  • Zitat von Cozmo D;45800

    I never used the word professionalism or unprofessionalism. That was Morgan. What I complained about was people treating their music as a hobby. Maybe something is lost in the translation, but here in the US a hobby is something you do leisurely. You can work and treat your music seriously. Like I said, my music comes third behind God and family. I have not had a job in a long time, but Lady E has kept one since I don't make enough money on music alone for us to live. I put my all into my music, I would never call it or consider it a hobby. I have nothing but respect for you guys and the artists that you mentioned, and would be surprised if any of you considered your music a hobby.

    Here in the rest of the world we cant afford to live like that.

  • Music is a very serious thing for me, and i treat it as if i was able to live off of it...but, i cant...so in some ways it is a hobby in the sense that its what i love doing on the side, yet if i ever get the chance, i will definately make my living this way.

    I think if someone approaches their music as a hobby, so they dont really seriously refine it or finish it how they should, its wrong...but if its wrong for someone to call it a hobby because they cant live off of it, then thats wrong too. Specially this day in age, no one can live off of music unless you are a popstar or tour a whole lot to make a good living...unfortunately, that is not the case for most.

  • Zitat von morphogenetic;45820

    Music is a very serious thing for me, and i treat it as if i was able to live off of it.


    And it shows in your music, I can hear the caring in it.

    Zitat von morphogenetic;45820

    I think if someone approaches their music as a hobby, so they dont really seriously refine it or finish it how they should, its wrong.


    That is all that I have been saying

    Zitat von morphogenetic;45820

    for someone to call it a hobby because they cant live off of it, then thats wrong too.


    I agree. As I just said, I can't live off of my music either, my wife has to work to supplement our income, and it kills me. But I would NEVER consider or treat my music as a hobby. My songs are like my children. Well, at least my pets. ;D

  • Thank you Coz, that was a kind comment, i am glad you notice it. I am very hard on myself about it, so i tend to think the worse of my work, although at the same time i like it. Its a weird love and hate kinda thing.

    I know what you mean though, songs ARE like children. I always say that making music must be somewhat like giving birth...just spending all that time seeing things grow, and then...off they go out into the world! I swear i feel like a parent sending their child off to college when i finish a track and send it off to a label or to master...i even get teary eyed! ;D

    Zitat von Cozmo D;45824

    My songs are like my children. Well, at least my pets. ;D

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